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The Double Axel Barrier… And Female Athlete Vertical Jump Statistics

November 7, 2007

As my loyal readers know, I’m very interested in understanding the athletic and physical limits associated with figure skating jumps, particularly for female skaters.

One of my goals is to understand what percentage of the female population has the athletic ability to do a double axel.  As I’ve shown before, the double axel is a huge dividing line for most skaters.

The next hardest jump, the double lutz only needs about 0.36 to 0.38 seconds of flight time based on video analysis (using Dartfish and simlar programs).  I’ve actually measured flight times on clean double lutzes as low as 0.34 seconds.  But using the 0.38 second number and using the table in a previous post on this blog (Are Figure Skaters Projectiles?), the double lutz needs to be about 6.5 inches high.

The double axel needs to have about 0.467 seconds of flight time, although I have measured ones with as little as 0.45 seconds.  Using 0.467 and the jump height chart gives about 10.5 inches as the minimum height for a double axel.

So why is this so important?

Mainly because based on my observations, most female figure skaters cannot jump 10.5 inches off the ice.  They just don’t have the physical ability to jump that high off one leg, regardless of technique.

To understand what I’m talking about, here’s an example.  Consider an ‘average’ 13 year old female skater.  According to the statistics, an average 13 year old female can jump 11.5 inches vertically off two feet.  This distance includes the ankle extension while still on the ground.  Estimating the distance of the ankle extension as 2.5 inches, that makes the true vertical “jump” or vertical distance in the air for the average 13 year old female only 9 inches.

And remember, that’s off two feet.

What are the statistics for one foot?  I’ve been unable to find any statistics on this so I’m running a study to determine this number so I can correlate it with the existing data.

But for the sake of argument, let’s say a skater can only jump 80% as high off one leg as off two.  That gives the average 13 year old female a potential jump height of 7.2 inches (0.8 x 9 inches = 7.2 inches).

And since a double lutz needs to be only 6.5 inches high, the average 13 year old lady skater clearly has the physical ability to do it.

So if the assumptions are reasonably close, we can see why most female skaters with average athletic ability or above can get through double lutz.  But we can also see why average female athletes have no chance at a double axel.  Their vertical jump off one leg is nowhere near the required 10.5 inches.

OK, just for illustration purposes, based on the assumptions above (2.5 inch ankle extension, 80% height off one leg), how good of an athlete does a 13 year old lady need to be for double axel?

If the jump needs to be 10.5 inches high and the ankle extension is 2.5 inches the skater needs a vertical jump off one leg from a standing position of 13 inches (10.5 + 2.5 = 13).  If the 13 inches are off one leg, then the skater needs to jump 16.2 inches off two legs (13 / 0.8 = 16.25).

According to available statistics, a 13 year old girl that can jump 16. 2 inches off two legs is in 97th percentile.  That means that only 3% of this age group can jump higher.

Wow!  Guess what that means?

If all the assumptions were reasonably close, only 3 percent of 13 year olds ladies have the athletic ability to jump high enough to do a double axel.  Now I’m sure this number is too low but it illustrates my point.

It should be clear why so few female skaters get a double axel.

OK, just for completeness I need to be very clear here.  I pulled the 80% number out of thin air.  And the 2.5 inch ankle extension number is a conservative estimate based on a handful of measurements ranging from 2.25 to 3.5 inches.  But these numbers need to be investigated.  And I plan to do that as part of my vertical jump study.

Also, the vertical jump numbers for 13 year old females was determined using an Online Vertical Jump Calculator.  And as elite skating coaches will confirm, a skater can actually jump higher on the ice with good technique due to the ability to use the speed of jump entry to vault the jump upward.

In other words, there’s a lot of assumptions here that need to be investigated further.

I hope you find this information useful.  As coaches, we need to stop having our skaters attempt jumps that they don’t have the vertical jump ability for and they simply have no chance of landing.

Trevor

8 comments

  1. I very much appreciate this point

    “As coaches, we need to stop having our skaters attempt jumps that they don’t have the vertical jump ability for and they simply have no chance of landing.”

    I am a 40 year old former child skater with scar tissue from falling on double lutzes (which I eventually got) and double axels that I never got. It was a source of great humiliation to me to wear crash pads and be pushed for something that other skaters were doing with ease (I trained at the same rink with Laura Steele who back in the day was a jumping bean extraordinaire-same age as me and way more talent) Biomechanically I think it was just impossible and its sad that my coach and parents didn’t know any better. I’m really looking forward to needing a hip replacement or having arthritis from that trauma in another 20 years…

    Parents and coaches must understand that wishful thinking cannot override the laws of physics and practicing isn’t going to make it happen. Girls should have plyometric training and this type of testing done to confirm readiness before they even think about trying a double axel or a triple.


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  3. First off, in any sport, as you climb higher up the ranks (whatever they are at the time) less and less athletes (female or male) are able to perform the required elements. That’s what makes them competitive and elite.

    However, saying that a portion of the female population is just not capable, no matter what, of landing a double axel is ridiculous.

    I have a plethora of problems with your methodology and assumptions:

    - you are comparing apples and oranges. your statistics are for “average 13 yr old female” and “average 13 year old female figure skater.” Perhaps only 3% of the female population can reach the vertical jump height; however, what percentage of females are figure skaters and what percentage of female 13 year old figure skaters can attain the height? It is likely, given their training, that the average 13 year old female figure skater has a much higher vertical jump than the average 13 year old female non-figure skater.
    - you are not taking height, weight, or shape into account at all. I would assume that a smaller 13 year old can rotate faster than a taller or heavier or more developed 13 year old in which case the amount of time necessary in the air would decrease (and thus less vertical height is necessary)
    - when talking about the double axel barrier (which I believe there is), you are assuming that ALL of the reason is the athletic ability of the skater. However, let’s assume that most female skaters begin double axels around 13 – this is also the age when school is getting more intense, social pressures are increasing, and, perhaps more importantly, their bodies are changing. It’s also likely that they may be changing coaches/locations to be more competitive. A comprehensive study of the subject MUST take these external factors as well as athletic ability and training (how often are they skating, what off ice conditioning are they doing, etc)
    - I’d also note that in moving from recreational to competitive skating, the single axel is definitely a barrier which may imply that there is something about the axel itself that it physically difficult/unnatural for everyone (the forward take-off? the extra 1/2 rotation?)

    I, personally, think searching futilely in quasi-science and coming to conclusions about the innate ability of your skaters (perhaps to hide your own inadequacies?), is not the way to ‘better’ yourself as a coach.


  4. I’ve been training this skater off-ice for almost a year now as well as well as conditioning her. She’s currently starting to learn her double axel and is having quite a hard time landing it even with the harness. Regarding your estimation of jumping with one leg would be 80% as high as jumping with both legs might not be true. Try looking for basketball statistics and you’ll see that most of the time they could jump higher using one leg than using both legs. I find it true for myself as well… just a thought


  5. It seems like you have not consider adding in the momentum.


  6. I have always been looking for such post. Thanks for the info!


  7. Great post. While I understands the criticisms, it’s important to understand that the normative standards for this are non-existant. If the ISU (or someone else) actually funded/conducted such a study in the first place, there would be no need for ‘lay practitioners’ to scientifically attempt to explore this.

    Figure skating has to catch up with the times…


  8. Hi Trevor

    I find your site so very interesting. Came across it as my daughter is about to start learning double axel but I am concerned she is too young and i fear her ankles may not be strong enough. Although I have noticed that it seems easier for the lighter younger skaters to attampt some jumps and from research I see it is because of the narrowness of their hips.

    She is 9 years and 9 months old.She has all her doubles nice and consistent. The double lutz is not fully rotated but strangely enough has had less trouble with it than some of the other doubles.

    Here is my question. Do dont mention rotational speed when discussing the double axel only height. Surely a greater rotational speed means the jump does not have to be as high ? I am sure girls who jump high but rotate slowly will battle.

    Lara has a very fast rotation and perhaps its why she has managed her doubles so well . But because the rotational speed is so fast she has not worked on height and I would very much like to see more height in her jumps. We are working on having a higher jump withless pull in so that the height is there when she needs it for double axel. I am also nervous to slow her rotational speed down cause she needs it for triples and double axel. What are your suggestions.

    I look forward to your replu

    Regards
    Ashley



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